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New Zealands, Definition of Marriage, Amendment Bill

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The Labour MP behind the bid to legalise gay marriage expects the debate to divide grandparents and grandchildren.

With Labour MP Louisa Wall's Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill tipped for a final reading in May, same-sex marriage could be passed into law next year.

Ms Wall said the bill was a "talking point" with the potential to split families this summer.

"For me, it's an issue like the Springbok tour: you're either for it, or against it. I'm happy for it to be one of the topics of holiday conversation."

She said debate over marriage equality reflected a "generational issue", with pensioners proving to be the minority in opposition.

"And for me, the opportunity to get that cross-generational dialogue going is between grandparents and grandchildren.

"I think it provides a really good opportunity for older people to talk to younger people."

A recent Dominion Post readers' survey also reflected the divisiveness of the issue.

Of the 613 readers polled from December 13 to 20, 35 per cent identified themselves as being in support of same-sex marriage, while a further 35 per cent were against it.

Just under a quarter described themselves as "neutral" on the subject, while a further 6 per cent had no opinion.

The Futurescape Global Dominion Post poll had a margin of error of 4 per cent.

Those in opposition were much more vocal than those in favour. Fewer than a quarter of the 176 respondents who took the optional opportunity to expand on their opinions spoke out in favour of marriage equality.

Many defined marriage as being between a man and a woman, while several felt a civil union was sufficient recognition of gay couples by law.

Eighty-eight per cent of respondents were aged over 40.

"I think it is difficult for most people in my age group (late 70s) to accept that two people of the same sex can be ‘married'," wrote one respondent.

Someone else remarked that their stance against gay marriage was "just the way I was brought up", while another apologised for being "old-fashioned".

Grey Power New Zealand national president Roy Reid said a lot of older people were "reasonably conservative in their thinking", and agreed that some of the association's members would struggle to express support for marriage equality.

"Most older people hold on to what they were taught was right and wrong from very early days."

Ms Wall said she could understand senior citizens' reluctance to endorse gay marriage. "For many people, what they've seen is what they understand - and they understand marriage to be between a man and a woman."

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None of her parents' friends were openly gay when she was a child, she said. "You just didn't see it, growing up."

But she said that a lot of today's pensioners would have campaigned for homosexuality to be decriminalised in 1986.

"Obviously younger New Zealanders are a lot more accepting of marriage equality, but it's a minority even within that 80-plus cohort [that are in opposition]."

Mr Reid himself was "reasonably easy" about same-sex marriage. "It doesn't bother me if someone who holds those beliefs wants to get married."

Ms Wall's bill is now before a select committee, which will report to Parliament on February 28.

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Davey1965
11 years ago

I dont know how more Jobs from John Key came into the Equation ,but i still think they have it right concentrating on Marriage as this will bring the most benifit to gay couples under the Law as it stands in NZ. Im not a christian but a marriage means more to me than just a civil Union in some cold Council Office.

11 years ago

oh btw i am sure the law bout adoption an legal parents for gay guys is differnt in othr places - am talkin only bout what it is in New Zealand. One other thing - bout why a surogate mother being single or not is so important; there is a NZ law which says a 'relationship' exists if yr frends or family other peeps who know u 'think' u r in a relationship - section 2D(2)(i) of the Property (relationships) Act 1976 - so u have to be a bit careful otherwise theres lots of hassles ahead of u.

11 years ago

Yeh there is a lot of peeps who dont undrstand the things bout adoption, an what is ment by gay adoption in New Zealand (most peeps think it means gay men ar goin to be adopting kids en mass! haha which aint the case at all) - the law in NZ, an the probs go somthing like this; if a gay couple get a surogate mother to give birht to their child they need to make sure she aint marryed or in a relationship, need to make sure she is single. If she is single the gay father is the father, but if she is in a relationship or marryed the gay biogical 'father' has to legally adopt hs own child - a weird law. Also the gay partner who didnt provide the sperm has no legal standing whatevr the situation - so also needs to adopt the child in order to be its parent. U r right that th e law needs to be changed so, for instance, a gay civil union/marriage partner is automaticaly a parent; an also that the gay guy who provides the sperm an is the biologial parent is the legal parent from day one. (sorry for such a long post an hope u can all follow it! haha!)

anusinterruptus
11 years ago

it was pointed out by (hetro) Civil Unionists on the TV news some time ago that there are certain things to do with adoption (and other legal things that I cannot at the moment remember) where a Civil Union is not legally recognised. Oh, understood what you meant when u called me Anus - just wanted to put a tonque-in-cheek twist on it LOL!!!!

11 years ago

I called u anus as bein short for yr name anusinterruptus - i didnt mean u were an arsehole haha i dont think u have that right bout civil unions as they do have equal rights and status - i mean a civil union is a civil union! haha and they aint goin to change. What r u meanin?

anusinterruptus
11 years ago

My dear Damien, may I just say take a look at your first post (of about 100 words, at least 2/3rd's of my post were on subject - yours, 16 words) BTW, I like the way you called me Anus... I'm proud of the fact that I can really be an arsehole most of the time - I have worked very hard to be that way.

11 years ago

Anus - his name is John; an this blog is bout gay mariage in NZ :) (if u wanna privat mesage me bout othe thigs am happy to reply)

anusinterruptus
11 years ago

I still think they have got it wrong - they should have pushed for equal rights and recognition of CIVIL UNIONS instead. Marriage is a christian thing, and there are a number of hetro's who have a civil union in stead of a marriage. This bill will still make anyone under a civil union miss out on the equality that a so called "marrige" provides. I would never marry, just because of the religous overtones.
BTW Damien, will the DON KEY lead govt take the credit for all the job losses since they came to power? How many jobs did DON KEY say they would create? Ya just can't trust anything that comes out of that pricks face.

11 years ago

Just before the labour party starts takin credit for anyhting - i shuld point out that most tory, National MPs votd for it including 15/20 cabinet members: - Amy Adams, Chris Auchinvole, Maggie Barry, Paula Bennett, Jackie Blue, Gerry Brownlee, Cam Calder, David Carter, Jonathan Coleman, Judith Collins, Jacqui Dean, Craig Foss, Paul Goldsmith, Jo Goodhew, Tim Groser, Tau Henare, Paul Hutchison, Nikki Kaye, Steven Joyce, John Key, Murray McCully, Ian McKelvie, Hekia Parata, Jami-Lee Ross, Scott Simpson, Lockwood Smith, Chris Tremain, Nicky Wagner, Kate Wilkinson, Maurice Williamson

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1