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I recently saw an ad asking for research participants who are "straight men who have sex with men." Ok GBT, what do we think? 


1. Yes, I'm certain that it happens all the time.


2. Love is love and no need to label it.  


3. Who are they kidding? but it's kinda hot, aka straight fetish.


4. A hundred bucks is a hundred bucks, aka Broke Straight Boys, Czech Hunter, etc. gay for pay fetish.


5. It's ancient Rome or Greece. The man is merely educating the youth (smirk). 


6. It's a macho or "homophobic" culture where the top/masc guy thinks he's straight or "identifies" as "straight."


7. Other? Discuss.


 


 

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C4LEB
7 months ago

This may be of interest to someone, an academic overview of the discourse that eventually framed the 'homosexual' construct as we currently recognise it. (Please note, this is audio only.)

Make yourself comfortable; sit back and listen...


Frmgyuf
7 months ago

MobuttMonkey Everyone is different these sure these easier to believe that everyone is the same, but look around you, just nature it is very varied.


MobuttMonkey
7 months ago

I am sure I will get nailed to the cross but I do not think there is either gay or straight 100%. Your body responds to stimulation. Man or woman will achieve orgasam if done properly no matter who is the partner. The Gay or Straight argument comes into play once the hormone level drops. This is where a lot of young men fall victim to shame and guilt. When their pulse is pumping and their cock is hard anyone can get them off. Afterwards the so called straight guy often gets aggressive with the gay guy or the partner, " hey I'm not gay" bullshit comes into play. When I was a young man in high school a hot young guy named Jon A. used to come over to my place all the time just for a blow job or to fuck me. Back then I allowed it because I was a horny teen. mHe had a nice long thick dick and loved to fuck me. After he always said "you know im not a faggot like you but my girlfriend is on the rag" or some such shit. I really didn't care he had just pumped me full and I could get off by myself. Gay Straight Bisexual Pansexual Omnisexual is just another word for horny. We think about a natural and beautiful activity too hard and apply stigma's to it. Just enjoy it while you can, your tight taught young body wont last forever, once you are my age you realize on how much you missed out on and have your regrets.


Nick18
7 months ago

I'm not having sex with a woman no mater the names the feminists call me


C4LEB
7 months ago

I'll get a hammer...


I am 100% gay. Stimulation depends on arousal, and nothing about the female form does it for me. This has been the case - and tested as a matter of curiosity - from the age of nineteen.



C4LEB
7 months ago

Nothing reputable I've read has linked pubertal testosterone to same-sex attraction or sexuality. There are study reports linking pre-natal testosterone levels to dysmorphia, but nothing in puberty.

I'd be interested in reading your sources.


Toronto
7 months ago

Likewise, many straight men are only attracted to women and not to men. They aren't attracted to men at all, not even to a "hot, young, horny guy" That is a common gay fantasy but usually not realistic. You're friend engaged in homosexual behaviour with you. The "unavailable female" is just a pretense so he can tell himself it's "not gay." It's a type of role-play. He probably went on to marry a woman and make her absolutely miserable, and himself as well.


Toronto
7 months ago

*Your friend


Nick18
7 months ago

'Stright' identity just means a good boy that conforms

Most Males will identify as Str8 or BI depending on what the environment will allow or prefers


Nick18
7 months ago

I call it Cringer Theory


Nick18
7 months ago


C4LEB
7 months ago


Nick18
7 months ago

Feminist propaganda used to benefit thire own agendas while oppressing and discrediting us


PrivateGloryholeMelbourne
7 months ago

I can only come at this from my own experience. A lot of straight men will come visit me after reaching out on dating apps because I offer no fuss blow ‘n go with a private gloryhole. But perhaps even though they know a guy is on the other side of the wall perhaps because they can’t actually see me they don’t view it as straight or gay, it’s just getting off? I do also have a few straight guys who message me just to tell me how disgusting I am, so that indicates to me that those straight men are offended by me just exisiting where as the ones who visit maybe don’t care either way?


london999
7 months ago

Straight guys that have sex with men must find other guys sexually attractive. I like girls as friends but sex for me is with guys....younger than me and I couldn't even entertain straight sex. Money or not.


Cellphone
7 months ago

I think these guys are Bisexual or Pansexual, and it's easier for them to be with their preference than that.A real straight man doesn't even ask the question.


anuu1
7 months ago

I've had many str8 guys come to my door looking for a blow job only, and all for the same reason; their wives/gfs refused to suck dick. Though those same women sure won't turn down having their pussies eaten, especially when the guy can flick her clit just right with his tongue and drive her to orgasm.


HitachiMi
8 months ago

2. Should be SEX IS SEX and no need to label. Sex and love are 2 different things entirely.


Toronto
8 months ago

"Love is love" has become a common expression to advance 2S/LGBTQ+ rights in the face of hate, prejudice, and ignorance but you make a valid point.


Cellphone
7 months ago

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anuu1
7 months ago

Exactly, HiMi.


C4LEB
8 months ago

Sexuality

The sexuality spectrum refers to the idea that people's sexual identities and orientations are complex and resist easy classification. Instead of offering people a choice between either homosexual or heterosexual - or even a choice between homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual - it provides a way of talking about sexuality along in terms of many possibilities. The sexuality spectrum also allows for greater fluidity of sexual identity and expression. You might change from one position to another or move about the spectrum. Large-scale studies have supported both the idea that broad terms can be misleading for some people and that people often have sexual orientation ranges rather than fixed orientations.To some extent, the shift from categories or sexuality to a sexuality spectrum is a generational shift. Millennials increasingly prefer to identify themselves along a spectrum. However, the spectrum is neither a specifically millennial phenomenon nor a concept embraced by all millennials.

Different Sexual Orientation SpectrumsThe spectrum itself isn't a singular entity. Instead of one line with complete homosexuality at one end and complete heterosexuality at the other, there are more than 200 scales people have developed to define sexuality.

• https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-sexuality-spectrum

Gender

gender continuum

also called gender spectrum, in the study of human sexuality, the thesis that gender is not “binary,” or limited to the specific genders “man” and “woman” (or “boy” and “girl”), but continuous, forming a spectrum of differing degrees and combinations of the mental, emotional, behavioral, and biological traits commonly possessed by or attributed to members of the male or female sex. Such characteristics include gender identity (one’s self-conception as a man, woman, or other gender or genders); sexual orientation; scalable personality traits such as assertiveness, inquisitiveness, empathy, and kindness (see also five-factor model of personality); the observance of culturally defined behaviours such as dress, social interaction, and social roles; and the physical traits associated with biological sex—including external genitalia, sex chromosomes, sex-related gene expression, sex hormones, and brain structure and activity—which vary along a continuum ranging from male to intersex to female.

In addition to single and combined genders, the gender continuum thesis also recognizes genders that involve a regular alternation between man and woman or between other genders within the continuum, as well as genders that fall outside of the continuum altogether. Genders within both of these categories are variously named and often overlapping, as indicated in the terms bigender (having a gender that combines man and woman), third gender (having a gender that is neither man nor woman), pangender (having all genders or more than one gender), genderqueer (having a gender that is not solely man or woman), and agender (having no particular gender).

• https://www.britannica.com/topic/gender-continuum


Toronto
8 months ago

Thanks for these links.

Not the topic of this blog but I think the "radical left" went too far with this preferred pronoun stuff and it pissed off a lot of potential allies and neutrals who were fine with he/she/they and did their best to call people what they wanted to be called.


Toronto
8 months ago

I'm all for acknowledging a spectrum. But all this micro-identifying is alienating and getting absurd. Eg., "I identify as only potentially being attracted to boys after 3 dates and 8 shots of tequila so I'm an octocuervosexual."


C4LEB
8 months ago


Bazacock
8 months ago

Gay4pay means you do it for money. You *might* be curious, but without the money, no gay sex. I don't see why not. I am early middle age. If a gorgeous 18yo, smooth, sweet, delicately perfumed girl offered herself to me I would do out of curiosity. I know I am gay (homo), but I would 100% do it. And at 18 or 19 with hormones raging, you would try it even faster. So the fact that most gay porn models in e.g. Czechia are gay4pay does not really seem all that remarkable, when you consider most of the time they are just asked to have sex with other gorgeous, young guys. They all smell nice, glow, have that magic of youth... and there is damn good money to be had. Ultimately money is the deciding factor though.


Cellphone
8 months ago

Sorry but I don't think you're in the 90 percent gay. The word Gay is used a little too often.


Toronto
8 months ago

The hunter or talent scout role is usually a bit of a scumbag/creep to sell the idea that "every straight boy has his price." Not quite the same as you willing to be straight for the right girl out of curiosity.


C4LEB
8 months ago

Straight Plus

"Straight Plus is to be straight but almost bisexual. When you are straight plus you are attracted to people of either gender, but you to are not fully attracted to either."

• https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Straight%20Plus


C4LEB
8 months ago

Consider a colour chart as an analogy for sexuality.

Start with the primary colours, and let them represent what the Kinsey Scale depicted: red, yellow, blue correlated to straight, bi, gay. Then let the secondary colours, orange, green, purple, correlate to one degree of sexuality away from the primary, mostly straight, mostly bi, mostly gay, and so on. Tertiary colours, lime, teal, violet, sienna etc., include the variations in sexuality to which humans identify. This extension of the palette is analogous to the spectrum of sexuality, and a colour sphere would be the synthesis of all degrees of sexuality needed for a person to posit themselves, far from the biological binaries of male/female and straight/gay as can be. The colour sphere is inclusive of all possible degrees of all possible sexual identities.


C4LEB
9 months ago

Thoughts on the human sexuality spectrum

The sexuality spectrum

The human sexuality spectrum is a continuum that accounts for every variation of human sexuality / identity without necessarily labelling or defining all of them. In this context, a spectrum is a tool (often shown with single-line chart) that has a descriptor on one end and the opposite descriptor on the other end.

As humans further explore the aspects of sexual identity and orientation, spectrums have been created to help people figure out how to include elements of a deeply intimate part of human identity. Spectrums help to include and describe different facets of human identity by accommodating every possible gender, sexuality, attraction and expression. This is important because it allows humans to firmly articulate the aspects of their identity, and spectrums define an identity that exists outside binaries.

Conceptualising continuums

https://www.itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1600-Genderbread-Person.jpg

• https://www.itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2011/11/breaking-through-the-binary-gender-explained-using-continuums/

cubfan2023
9 months ago

As a happily married str8 man, I have my own thoughts. I am str8 but was orally molested from age 10-13 by an older relative. So, for some reason, I crave being sucked by a cute twink from time-to-time. I don't live a gay lifestyle and an happy with my wife and my life. Still, I do get turned on by the thought of a gat fem twink sucking me. So, I still and will always consider myself Str8 but with a twist. LOL

C4LEB
9 months ago
Straight with a twist... so, not even 'mostly straight'? Okay, that's informative, thank you: the spectrum has a new shade.
C4LEB
9 months ago

"The mostly straight man belongs to a growing trend of young men who are secure in their heterosexuality yet remain aware of their potential to experience far more. Perhaps he’s felt attracted to or fantasized about another guy to a slight degree or intermittently. He might or might not be comfortable with this seeming contradiction, a hetero guy who, despite his lust for women, rejects a straight label, a sexual category and a sexual description that feels foreign. He’d rather find another place on the sexual/romantic continuum, some that fits him more comfortably.

He knows he’s not gay, but straight with a dash of gayness. But how much gayness? Not much — a relatively small percentage, say around 5% to 10%, of his sexual and romantic feelings. Strict rules don’t apply. These attractions are sexual, romantic or both and can be expressed in various ways, from erotic fantasies to actual behavior. Perhaps he’s made out or he wants to make out with a guy friend. He’s participated in all-male group masturbation or is willing to receive oral sex from an attractive guy he’s just met. But it’s unlikely that he has had penetrative sex with a guy, though he might be willing to if the right guy or circumstance appeared. He might have had an intense guy crush. But to fall passionately in love with a guy is too much, though he might have quite strong feelings and cuddle with a best friend."

• https://time.com/5026092/mostly-straight-sexual-identity-bisexual-gay/

C4LEB
9 months ago
"“Mostly straight,” as a male sexual identity, hasn’t entered the public’s consciousness the way gay or bi identities have, though that seems to be changing. According to one trend forecasting agency, only 48 percent of Gen Z identifies as exclusively heterosexual, compared to 65 percent of millennials. And millennials, it bears mentioning, are no slouch when it comes to dismantling hard-line conceptions of sexuality; when an actor like Josh Hutcherson loudly declares himself to be “mostly straight” in the press, he goes a long way in dismantling stigma against sexual fluidity.

Hutcherson’s phrasing, as it happens, inspired the title of Savin-Williams’s book, in which he interviewed 40 mostly straight men to better understand their relationship to same-sex sexuality and how they parse their desires. To the eternal consternation of men who identify as gay, mostly straights aren’t usually interested in long-term same-sex relationships, Savin-Williams writes, but they’re also refreshingly shame-free about their desires, with many not only comfortable with gay culture but even “enchanted” by it."

• https://www.vice.com/en/article/pazbxn/what-it-means-when-a-dude-says-hes-mostly-straight
Toronto
9 months ago
@Caleb More fascinating stuff. Thanks for the links.
cn408hf
9 months ago

C4LEB gives helpful information. Cluster analysis shows that there is a custer that can be called

Mostly Heterosexual or Straight Plus,

which is
the largest sexual minority in surveys. They identify as heterosexual, live a mostly heterosexual life and see their homosexual excursions as something in addition to their heterosexual life, and they never show up at LGBT organizations. Some men say that they began sexually experimenting with men when their wives were not interested in sexuality anymore. But they don’t fall in love with other men of their age, they only enjoy their penis fetish with other men who are in the same situation. Others may be afraid of a label that is less harmless, but I find the addition of this category useful.


People who see themselves as clearly bisexual also come in different flavours:

Bisexual – more heterosexual,
Bisexual – without a preference
Bisexual – more homosexual


Actually, many people who identify as straight or gay have homosexual or heterosexual experience, which is why the additional categories


Exclusively heterosexual / Exclusively homosexual


can be useful, because


Heterosexual / Homosexual


have a certain vagueness.

We must also clearly distinguish sexuality from preferences concerning cohabitation. Women, for example, who would like to live together with their children and the breadwinner, find it easiest to realise this project with a man, which does not mean that she values sexual satisfaction from men more highly than from women, if she has experience with both.


Since men are on average more dominant, it is no wonder that men prefer to live with women than to face the challenge of living with another man.


In the end, I find it most useful to describe people by the sexual practices they enjoy, supplemented by descriptions of the bodies they prefer.

Toronto
9 months ago
Interesting points.
C4LEB
10 months ago

Men who have sex with men (MSM) are men who engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex, regardless of how they identify themselves. These men may identify as gay, homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, or may dispense with sexual identity altogether. The WHO notes that MSM "encompasses the large variety of settings and contexts in which male-to-male sex takes place, across multiple motivations for engaging in sex, self-determined sexual and gender identities, and various identifications with particular community or social groups".


Human sexual practice is diverse. In response to the need to better understand that diversity in the face of the HIV epidemic, a fact became widely known that had previously been understood by few: a significant population of men who do not self-identify as 'gay' or 'bisexual' sometimes have sexual contact with other men. It was recognised that a descriptor for behaviour, rather than an assertion of social identity, was needed, and the term “men who have sex with men”, and its acronym MSM, came into being.


Categorising an individual’s sexuality is not a simple matter of asking a single question. There must be considered three aspects of sexuality: (1) how people describe their sexuality, (2) to whom people say they are sexually attracted, and (3) with whom people say they have had sexual experiences. Moreover, the agreement between stated sexual identity, sexual attraction and sexual experience varies.


At least one in 20 Australian men report sexual contact with another man in their lifetime, however few Australians reported a sexual identity other than heterosexual. It seems that both same-sex attraction and homosexual experience are more common than a declared homosexual or bisexual identity would suggest. (Statistically, among Australian men, 97.4% identified as heterosexual, 1.6% as gay or homosexual and 0.9% as bisexual. Among these men, 91.4% reported only opposite-sex attraction and experience; thus, some same-sex attraction or experience was reported by 8.6% of men.)

There is a wide and open-ended range of motivations for MSM activity, tempered by: negative associations with same-sex identification (discrimination and bullying); lack of personal sexual clarity; societal and parental disapproval and/or expectations; contraception; digital and physical venue access; coercion (sexual abuse by older family/social network members and then leverage to prevent disclosure); fear of familial or social isolation; fear of quality of life changes; notions of masculinity and patriarchy; religious conservatism; pathologising of homosexuality; institutional stigma and discrimination; homoeroticism as play; power and dominance; immediate sexual gratification; same-sex environments; paid sex for survival; sexual experimentation or adventurism; easy, uncomplicated nature of sexual encounters between men; even revenge.

Toronto
10 months ago

@Caleb Fascinating stuff!

C4LEB
10 months ago

I'd be interested in hearing other motivations for MSM sexual activity. My list is not exhaustive, and I'd like to understand more.